-REQUEST???

If anyone has a request. Just post a comment here. I will see if i have or can find your request.

Thank You All for stopping by my Blog

Note: If anyone wants to share your rare tunes. Just send them to my Gmail(click here) account. Any size,format.. Does not matter

127 comments:

  1. Hi KJ

    Here is a couple of more requests I hope you will be able to find:

    1980 Windvoice - Self Title
    1983 Katharsis - "Drivin too Fast"

    Thank you in advance and God Bless!

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  2. Hi KJ,

    Thank you for your blog and all the great music! I have a few requests I hope you will be able to post:

    1978 "I'm Grateful" by Garth Hewitt
    1978 "Grand Arrival" by Bryn Haworth
    1980 "The Gap" by Bryn Haworth

    Thanks and have a great week! God Bless!

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  3. I thank you so very much for the Mike Johnson Albums- they are a blessing. I so much appreciate you and your blog. I do have another Mike Johnson Album I would like to request that is:

    1973 "Velvet Prince" by Mike Johnson & Friends.

    Thank you so very much, KJ have a blessed week.

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  4. What a blessing!! KJ that is who you are--you have gone above and beyond what I have asked for! Thank you so very much and may the Lord shower blessings that you cup is always overflowing!!

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  5. Hi KJ,

    I have a couple of requests:

    1980 "A Call To Brokenness" by Living Sacrifice Band
    1978 "Beauty For Ashes" by Living Sacrifice Band

    Have a wonder night and God Bless!

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  6. Hi KJ,

    I have come across an old one that I would like to make a request. I hope you will be able to post it is:

    1951 - The Game of Life (Word W-3298-LP) by Jarrell McCracken

    Thank you and God Bless

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  7. Does anyone have The Renaissance with Otis Skillings:

    I - 1973 - (hand holding a plant w/ mustard background
    II - 1981 - (hand holding a plant w/white background.
    Born Again - 1976 - Butterfly with silver background

    Thank you

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  8. I'm looking for this band
    http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Game_Over/3540292160#band_tab_discography

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  9. Looking for
    Harvest – Send Us to the World (1984)
    Faithful: A Collection Of Contemporary Christian Love Songs (1984)
    Michael O'Brien - ST (1995)
    Prism - Late 80s. I think the albums were colors (blue, red and yellow I think)

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    1. I too am looking for that Harvest album, please.

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  10. Hi KJ God Bless You!!! Please any album "2lb Planet" Songs from the Hydrogen Jukebox (1990)or Whispering Delicious (1993) ;) Thank you so much KJ!! God Bless You!!

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    1. I saw he posted Songs from the Hydrogen Jukebox. Did you ever get Whispering Delicious?

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    2. I saw he posted Songs from the Hydrogen Jukebox. Did you ever get Whispering Delicious?

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  11. I am searching for David and The Giants albums - these in particular:

    1977 Song of Songs
    1978 This One's For You
    1979 Step In My Shoes
    1980 Almost Midnight
    1982 David and The Giants

    Maybe someone might be able to find these - that would be great!

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving and God Bless!

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  12. Looking for the mega rare self-titled LP from the Colorado-based CCM AOR band Titus, from 1985.
    Thank you!

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    1. Need more info. ie.. album names,band members.. unable to find a thing on them..

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    2. Same here. Not a grain of info on this band, but at least they have a Discogs entry:
      https://www.discogs.com/Titus-Self-Titled/release/5028067

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    3. Good evening,
      KJ,

      I don't know if this is the one you are looking for but go to this link - Maybe?---

      http://www.theancientstar-song.com/2012/12/titus/

      At least this might give you an idea--

      -SP-

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  13. Hi,
    here link for:

    GIDEON'S ARMY:Warrior Of Love.(1985)(Remastered 2013)

    https://mega.nz/#!YQ9E0QKT!JJoSXXaLfsY0H0QJY1VSagTXM_ulOncSq_0ghBEeq0c

    Bye.

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    1. sipi & KJ,

      Thanks for the link - it worked fine! God Bless!

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  14. KJ, some more requests, thanks


    Agape - Park Version (North Park College SS-16938-01) (1970?)

    TONI WILSON and GEORGIA MURPHY - Turn Turn Turn (1968?)

    the Guitar Ensemble - The You-N-You (1971)

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  15. keith hutchinson alpha omega

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  16. I am looking for a rock band from CA called Surrender. They had a few demos one had a fantastic song called Long Long Winter. I'll be sending a few of my rare hard to find gems.

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  17. Kenny Reed "I Wanted You To Know" 1975

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  18. Hi KJ,

    I've got some requests:

    They are all with the same group - New Wine (AL)

    1974 - Self Title
    1975 - New Wine 2
    1977 - In the Late 20th Century

    Thank you and have a wonderful evening!

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  19. Hello master! You're my last chance to find this song. I do not know his name, I know nothing about it. But I sincerely hope you can help me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQGaPXiOvc

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  20. Hi, Really enjoy the site. Any chance of getting the Art Reynolds album with Jesus Is Just Allright With Me?
    thanks.

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  21. Hi KJ. I am trying to find the following rare albums, all of which were released only on cassette. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

    Apostle - King of the Saints (1986)
    BellBangVilla (pre-Poor Old Lu) - In Love With the Greenery (1990)
    Lightforce - Blue Demo (1986)
    Lightforce - Yellow Demo (aka Angel Rocker) (1987)
    Lust Control - Feminazi (1994)
    Matrix - Silent Madness (1985)
    Matrix - Studio Junkie (1985)
    Paragon - Just Believe (1987)
    Paragon - Dead and Alive (1988)
    Poor Old Lu - 3 Song Demo (1991)
    Restricted Access (pre-The Swoon) - Take One (1984)
    Restricted Access - Retrograde Inversion (1985)
    Restricted Access - Church of Wires (1987)
    Restricted Access - Jacob's Tears (1987)
    Sincerely Paul - Darkness Binds You/19 Years cassette single (1989)
    The Swoon - Spectacular Illusions (1991)
    Veil of Ashes - Negro (1987)

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    1. I have
      Lust Control - Feminazi (1994)
      Paragon - Just Believe (1987)
      Paragon - Dead and Alive (1988)
      The Swoon - Spectacular Illusions (1991)

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    2. I would very much like Paragon - Dead and Alive as well.

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    3. Doug,

      Do you have any way to make rips from your cassettes? I am still looking for a complete copy of Lust Control's Feminazi. I have been able to acquire the Paragon songs, and someone sent me a copy of the Swoon tape, but without any song titles, so if you could fill me in on the track listing for that one, that would be awesome as well. Thanks.

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  22. Ralph Carmichael & The Young People - Have A Nice Day 1972
    Fantazia - Fantazia (Big Wave Records 1979
    Zaras - Excuse Me, Forever
    Joey Melotti - Take Another Look 1982
    Tony Arlyn - Childlike 1979
    Wickety Wak - New Horizons 1983
    Jeff Grosser - A Part Of Me
    Gotcha - Gotcha (Tequila Gold Records 1978
    The Latinos* - We Believe In You 1976
    The Unisounds - The Unisounds (Generation Records 1971
    Roger Moon - Second Class View Of Paradise 1975
    Alfred James - Music Man 1978
    Bernard Tarver - You're A Very Special Part Of Me 1979
    David Niblock - David Niblock 1980
    Michael Saxell - It's Good To Be Alive 1980
    Ingmar Johansson - Bildspråk 1979
    The Morgan-James Duo* - At The Bar Of Music 1964
    Sharon Cuneta - Sixteen 1982
    Golden West College - Better Days 1980
    Randy Morriss - Lifeline 1981

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  23. Greetings!

    I have a request or two. I hope you will be able to find and post they are:

    1976 - Phil Keaggy - Love Broke Thru
    1979 - Phil Keaggy - The Master & The Musician

    1978 - Phil Keaggy Band - Emerging

    Thank you so very much for what ever you can find and post. Thank you so much for your blog and God Bless.

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  24. Dominican Sisters - Lord, Here I Am (1976)

    thanks

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  25. Hi KJ,

    May the Lord continue to bless you for this blog. You have been a wonderful blessing by finding rare and hard to find albums. I do have some requests that I hope you will be able to find:

    1976 - Phil Keaggy - Love Broke Thru
    1979 - Phil Keaggy - The Master & The Musician

    1978 - Phil Keaggy Band - Emerging

    Thank you so very much for what ever you can find and post. Thank you so much and God Bless.

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    1. Hi KJ,

      I want to thank you so very much for the 2 Phil Keaggy albums - They are great!!!
      I hope you will be able to find and locate the Phil Keaggy Band - Emerging. That one is real hard to get. May the Lord bless you richly.

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  26. Crossfire - Sounds of Joy 1981 they may have others.
    Chris Monson - Day By Day
    The Carpenters Crew - Carry On 1970
    Karen Voegtlin - Misty Morning 1979
    Diane King Susek -
    Belonging
    God Is - 1971
    Experience A New World
    Her Voice..The Doorway to Her Soul
    My Choice - 1976 O Divine Redeemer - 1977
    The Glory of His Presence

    Sorry it's such a long list. Thank You.

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  27. KJ, here are my requests. All very hard to find:

    Various - Shack Of Peasants, Vol. 2 (1993)
    Solveig Leithaug - First Step (1988)
    Found Free - Transformation (1975)
    Billy Crockett - Surprises In Disguises (1986)
    Pamela Deuel Hart - Weary Child (1980)
    Priscilla Engle - Priscilla Engle (1986)
    Robot Luggage - Robot Luggage EP (1987)
    Sue Chrisco - The Singer (1984)
    The Meeks - Turning It Over (1983)
    Soul Liberation - Who Are You (1982)
    Marvin & Gentry - Safe Harbour (1987)
    Marvin & Gentry - Light Of The World (1989)
    Mattie Groves - Mattie Groves (1999)
    Nicholas Giaconia - Center Of The Earth (1994)
    Bruce Rector - Beginnings (1978)
    Brendan Doyle - Musical Mystical Bear (1972)
    The Seraphims - The Consciousness Of Happening (1968)
    Reid Power - Intuition (1980)

    Thanks in advance for any and all you can provide.

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  28. HI KIng Jeste! How Are you? please! DEAR EPHESUS "The Consolation of Pianissimo" (1997) ! God Bless you!

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  29. Hey KJ, keep up the great work! Thank you for helping me get digital copies of my vinyl collection. I am still looking for
    Chuck Girard - Take It Easy
    Chuck Girard - Glow In The Dark
    Chuck Girard - Written On The Wind

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  30. Hi, thank you very much for Carla Riehl,Believer and Priscilla Engle.

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  31. Hi everyone! I'm looking for this record:

    Geoff Moore - Where Are The Other Nine? (1984)

    Thanks a lot!

    Victor

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  32. Can you post

    Selah (70s ohio) - self-titled

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  33. Been looking for Sentry-Sick of the Darkness to download for forever

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  34. If these can be found I do thank you for sharing :-)

    Deliverance - Thank You For The Day We Met 1980
    - Not One Time
    Ohio group.

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  35. Departure - Last Plane to the Mainland (1985)
    Heartfire - Open Your Eyes (1984)

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  36. I have been looking for years for Oracle - Danger Zone (1984)...would be amazing if anyone ever finds it.

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  37. I used to own a ton of christian rap when I was a teenager but got rid of it in my early 20s. I've been getting some of those albums back but I can't find the following and would love to hear them again:

    DJ Dove - The Devil's Worst Nightmare
    Fros-T - Mad at the World
    Mike-E & The G Rap Crew - I Rap for the Man
    Mike-E - Pass it On
    Transformation Crusade - Makin' it Happen
    I.D.O.L. King - Explosion 2.0.0.0
    Apocalypse - The Final Plea

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  38. Good Day BK!!!!
    Can I request This 2 Albums Namely:

    1. The Hemphills - Workin' (1980)
    2. Brent Lamb - Outside These Walls (1988)

    Thanks and GOD Bless BK!!...

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  39. Danny Daniels - Another Shade of Blue

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  40. John Duncan5/24/17, 4:03 PM

    Hi KJ,

    I am looking for a compilation CD entitled Persuading You Near (Working Man Records, 1996), which includes exclusive tracks/mixes by Poor Old Lu, Damien Jurado, Soulfood 76, Clive Staples (feat. Jesse Sprinkle), etc. Thanks.

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  41. KJ,

    Happy Memorial Day!! I have a request of an album that I hope you will be able to fill. It is:

    1981 - The Keith Green Collection

    Have a great and wonderful day, today. God Bless!!

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  42. Looking for this two albums:
    Rick Strange - Where are the Christians
    Randy Stonehill - Wonderama

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  43. Kinfolk - Kinfolk 1972
    Clean 1974
    Psalm Writer 1978
    Winter Haven FL group.

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  44. anyone have Act One Company ‎– Music-Drama-Comedy?

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  45. request for hard to find Christian 80s singers: debbie mcneil, david Clydesdale, david and cathy spurr, laury browning, bill and sarah gaines, karen voegtlin, jonathan david brown, music from God(days of majesty). Thanks for making a platform for downloadng Christian music.

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  46. good evening,does anyone know anything about this crosswind ccm plz ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41E-QMuUbI

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  47. this is a really great album

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  48. Do you have the other Limpic and Rayburn, titled Limpic and Rayburn with Dave Pollard - 1976

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  49. Hello, I'm looking for What A Way To Go by Billy Sprague.
    Thanks

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  50. Wondering if someone has Gabriel - Gabriel 1978 or 80? (brown album w/Gabriel on the front. Gabriel - Rescued 1981. Lastly, Gabriel - Out of The East 1985

    Thank You :-)

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  51. hi king Jeste.Do you have
    1.Sara Groves-Past The Wishing(1998)

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  52. Hi,
    i'm looking for:

    Larnelle Harris ‎– More (1977)

    Thanks in advance

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  53. I'm looking for Order of Chaos - s/t Demo 1990 and Omega - Alpha (Demo) 1983.
    https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Order_of_Chaos/116872#band_tab_discography
    https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Omega/Alpha/218884
    Thanks a lot for help!

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  54. Temperance - They Gotta Know! (1987)

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  55. Hola!
    Me encantaría saber si tienen algo de Silverwind:

    1.-Silverwind
    2.-A Song In The Night
    3.-By His Spirit
    4.-Set Apart

    Gracias

    Hello!
    I would like to know if you have anything from Silverwind:

    1.-Silverwind
    2.-A Song In The Night
    3.-His Spirit
    4.-Set Apart

    Thank you

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  56. Robert Newell7/29/17, 5:31 PM

    Hi

    It would be great if you could share

    Michael James Murphy - Surrender (1983)

    It's a superb album

    Thanks

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  57. Can you find Kerosene Halo - Live Simple
    Kerosene Halo - House on Fire
    Lost Dogs - The Best of the Lost Dogs

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  58. Can you find Mike Stand - Do I Stand Alone
    Mike Stand - Simple Expression

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  59. I actually used to have this back in the day. It was a free EP/album that was put out on Myspace I do believe. The group was called This Diminishing West and it was fronted by Scott Hunter from Poor Old Lu. Id love to have that album on here and to get it again

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  60. I would love hear Love song for the earth by Garth Hewitt!
    It's been years.

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  61. Danny Daniels - Another Shade of Blue

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  62. Stephen Wiley-Bible Break

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  63. Are you able to find:
    Mark Krischak & Friends - Mark Krischak & Friends: Vol One Early Recordings
    Mark Krischak & Friends - Mark Krischak & Friends: Vol Two Rough
    The Coolers - Simply and Dead

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    1. Those are on my Key Records label. www.jeanibond.com CDs or downloads available.

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  64. Testimony - He's Alive (1989)
    Echelon - The Rein Reigns My God (1991)
    Clear Vision - S/T LP (1984)

    Thanks! :)

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  65. Tom Howard
    - Danger in Loving You, 1981
    - Bamboo in Winter, 1991

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    1. http://bkmusic777.blogspot.com/p/music-requests-fills.html

      posted here

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  66. Any albums by the Lost Dogs

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  67. Looking for Jamie Collins, 'Laughter in Your Soul'. Around 1972 I think. Thank you!!!

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  68. Courtney & Courtney

    John Carlson Band

    Thanks!

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  69. Contender - S/T LP (1985)

    Thanks! :)

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    1. I seen two copies on Ebay. Too pricey for me..or i'd get them to post here..

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  70. Would you be able to locate any albums by a country/Southern gospel group called the MidSouth Boys? I am particularly interested in their 1986 album Christian Country Hearts and their 1987 album City Lights. I've also been looking for an album by a Southern gospel quartet called The Sound. They made an album in 1987 entitled Take a Little Time. If you could find these, that would be great. Thank you

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  71. I just noticed the posts of the MidSouth Boys. Thanks so much. I can't believe you were able to find them so quickly. I've been looking for them for years with no success. Any chance you could locate their 1985 album, Boys Will Be Boys?

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  72. Thank you once again for the MidSouth Boys and The Sound posts. Much appreciated. While we're at it, here's a few more that I've been looking for if you could find. They are by another southern gospel group called Heaven Bound:

    We Are Those Children - 1981
    Genuine - 1982
    I Am With Thee - 1983
    In Concert - 1985
    Revived - 1986
    Just No Stopping Us Now - 1987
    Look What God Has Done - 1989

    Any of these would be greatly appreciated

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  73. Got the Heaven Bound material. Thank you. Any chance you could locate these albums by a quartet called Perfect Heart:

    Live - 1991 (re-issued in 1993)
    Command Performance - 1992
    On Time God - 1995

    Thank you

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  74. Agape - Agape, 1971
    Agape - Victims of Tradition, 1972

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    1. http://bkmusic777.blogspot.com/2015/10/agape-vicitms-of-tradition-1972.html

      already posted

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    2. Thanks for all,
      Paz

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  75. Pat Terry
    - Humanity Gangsters - 1982
    - Film at Eleven - 1983
    - The Silence - 1984

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  76. Hi please help

    Ralph Carmichael strike up the band 1994

    Thanks

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  77. Sonlight Orchestra

    Love Song and Other Greats - 1975
    Sometimes Allelua - 1976
    We are the Reason - 1981
    Star of the Morning - 1982

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  78. hey King Jeste! Did you ever meet Rich Mullins?

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  79. Starflyer 59 discography. Thanks!

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  80. Here's a shot in the dark.

    Hundredfold - Look Up!
    T.N.K. - The Noble Knights

    Have never seen these on any site like this.
    Thanx

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  81. Tales From The Tube Creative Sound ‎– CSS 1583
    1975 Soundtrack to the Christian Surf Movie

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  82. I've got a long shot for you, it's an acapella group called Rhythm & News, and I had their first album, Get With the Rhythm on tape. Can you help me out? Thanks!

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  83. Found two albums by Rhythm & News for you..

    Your Welcome
    KJ

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  84. Hi KJ

    I have a request I hope you will find:

    1980 (UK) Liberation Suite - Stride for Stride

    Thanks!

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  85. HI KJ!!! PLEASE " Shaded Red "Red Revolution" (1999) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cluXT8LHlaw Thank you so much!!

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  86. Hello, I would like to request these:

    - Various Artists - Airpop: An Apricot Records Compilation (1998)
    - Den Baron - The Soundtrack of My Life (2000)
    - Various Artist - Rough Trade Shops: Indiepop 01 (2004)

    Thank you so much!

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  87. Infinity Plus Three - Setting Yesterday Free

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  88. Struggling to find Graham Kendrick 'Triumph In The Air'. It was the only album to be issued on a small label, hence harder to find. Any help appreciated!

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  89. Resurrection Metal Radio10/24/17, 5:36 PM

    I am looking for some music by Eric Champion

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  90. I'm looking for Gordon De Leon - His Matchless Grace 1973
    Roberta Vandervort - Chameleon Cry 1984
    New Creation Singers - Sweeter Than Honey 1978
    -the lord lives 1972
    -Reality Rd
    -Perfect Praise 1976
    -i will praise thee 1972

    There may be others. Thank You!

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  91. Eyewitness - Lightning Prayer (1984)
    Power Alley - S/T LP (1985)

    Thank you!

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  92. I'm looking for the two Petra Youth Choir Collections (1985 and 1987). I believe the first one at least was circulating on ZPOC, but I can't access it anymore. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

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  93. i have been looking all over for Sentry- sick of the darkness

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  94. Thanks for this great blog. I have been looking for a band called 20/twenty. They had two releases in the 1980's. Thanks!

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  95. The Crimson Bridge.

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  96. malcolm wall - broken chains

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  97. Hi kj?i have first call's 1987 album but is very low on audio.Can u pump it up for me?

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  98. Looking for a group called September.

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    1. Hi, i have 1984 -Lines Are Falling.
      henryshevat@gmail.com

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  99. Edin Adahl - Miracle

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  100. Hi!! Snuggles band please

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  101. Hi again,

    Would it be possible to request anything by Ernie & Debbie Rettino?
    Thank you for this amazing blog :)

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  102. I'm looking for these albums:
    Helga Pictures-ST-1991
    Helga Pictures-Build It Up-1993
    Karl Keaton-Just Another Love Affair-1991
    Karl Keaton-How Can I Let Go-1993
    Priscilla Engle-ST-1986
    Priscilla Engle-Learning To Love-1991
    Kim Boyce-This I Know-1990
    Phil and The Noise-Foolin' Around-1991
    The Johnsons-Break Tommorrow's Day-1986.

    thanks in advance.

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  103. Could you possibly find an album called The Road to Forgiveness by a group called Crossway? Thanks

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  104. Hi, I'm looking for :
    1) Dion - Only Jesus (1981)
    2) Sheesh - Sheesh! (1997)
    Thanks in advance :)

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  105. Thanks so much for the Sheesh & Dion :) so nice to hear them again. Here's a few more I haven't heard in ages (used to have the lps)
    1) Sheila Walsh - War Of Love (1983)
    2) Sheila Walsh - Triumph In The Air (1984)
    3) Randy Stonehill - The Wild Frontier (1986)
    Peace

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  106. Hey KJ?Do you have this album?

    Saltmine Band, Dave Pope, Chris Eaton ‎– Living Sacrifice(1983)

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  107. Hi KJ. I am looking for:

    1986 - Split Level - Break the Chains
    1994 -Julie Miller - Invisible Girl

    Thanks in advance for your help!

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